User talk:Pamcakes

Some community discussions starting
Just a heads up that a few of us have started a discussion on "how should the wiki do x?", in case you want to weigh in. TUG_wiki:Feedback -Red Agliator (talk) 13:40, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

re: Changes to Cooking
Please see Talk:Cooking regarding my reasons for undoing your recent edits to Cooking. &mdash;LoonWoof (talk) 01:43, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

re: Apothecary and Alchemy Changes
These changes tie into the SMW (semantic mediawiki) markup a lot and will impact many pages that use the Alchemy categories and properties to determine things such as ingredient lists, etc. Red Agliator has put in a lot of work to get this shtuf set up and working and I don't know how these changes will impact those other pages. Could you hold off on the changes for a bit? &mdash;LoonWoof (talk) 03:38, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

@LoonWoof The point is to get this Wiki filled with correct information, and making a few changes to separate parts of the crafting that is actually under Alchemy and Apothecary is important and not that big of a hassle. I'm sorry but as Admin of this Wiki, I'd love to have correct information the first time. That's why I'm looking over things now and making the changes that I can. I have Red Agliator on my Skype contacts list, she can get a hold of me anytime if there's an issue. &mdash;Pamcakes 11:48PM 11 October 2014 (EST)

Is this correct: The distinction between Alchemy and Apothecary is that alchemy equals transmutation, and apothecary is everything else? If I got that right, I'll start adjusting other parts of the wiki to bring them in line with that definition when I get back from my weekend. –Red Agliator (talk) 13:09, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

@Red Agliator Yes, Alchemy is the act of turning an object into something else of equal matter. If you've seen Full Metal Alchemist, you'll get the picture (they were inspire by the anime, as well as traditional alchemy). Apothecary is the act of making specialized potions, special medicines, ect. These two things will continue to be separated into their own things much more clearer in upcoming updates, so it's better to get a head start on things. Oh and enjoy your weekend! &mdash;Pamcakes 11:51AM 12 October 2014 (EST)

Pages to delete
We've been putting obsolete/misleading pages in Category:Proposed deletion until a wiki admin could delete them. Ta-da! you appeared!

Thanks, –Red Agliator (talk) 23:13, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Request for Front Page Suggestions
Hey, if you want to quickly give me a list of "a should be under b" ect for the front page, that'd be great. I've notice some things aren't under the correct pages so let's put everything where they make the most sense.

Since I'm still new to the game and trying to ferreting out "old" information from all the various websites I probably have more questions regarding the Main Page than useful suggestions: &mdash;LoonWoof (talk) 20:01, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * What is a "single player server"?
 * What about proving grounds? are they a type of server?
 * Add "Commands" under "Running the game"?
 * Why are Scavenging, SA, BA under "The World"? aren't SA and BA types of crafting/technology?
 * What is Logic Engineering/SoftMod/HardMod and how are they related to Relics?
 * Should Relics be under Lore?
 * What's the difference between Relics and Landmarks?
 * Magics or Magic (plurals vs. singulars &mdash; there are a lot of plurals under Lore, but the wiki pages are entitled mostly with singulars)
 * Too much shtuf under Crafting?
 * Are Companions a subset of Critters and Monsters?
 * Non-player "Characters"? maybe C&M under The World (like Environ?)
 * "Environment" (under The World) redirects to "Biomes" &mdash; should this be changed somehow?
 * I don't really care for the "Others" classification in Critters &amp; Monsters. It seems to me to be too large of a "catch-all" classification. But that issue extends beyond the Main Page.
 * Mining and Farming are under Crafting, but don't seem to ''really' be "crafting". What other area could these go under? The World?
 * Resources under The World?
 * What are the differences between Materials vs. Resources vs. Components?
 * Characters redirects to Seeds. Same issue as "Environment" above.
 * Is there anything more to go under Building?
 * What are Lithari?

@LoonWoof These are exactly the questions I was looking for, and I agree that we need to overhaul most of the front page. I just didn't know where to start. It's still going to be a touch challenge to tackle it all. FYI: Everything was here before I became Admin here so there will undoubtedly have to be a lot to change. I'll try to answer some of your questions. * Single player is just single player mode, no server. &mdash;Pamcakes (talk) 4:20PM, 14 October 2014 (EST)
 * Yes, too much stuff under crafting. Need more categories for these extra pages. We'll brainstorm.
 * Companions are tamed Critters (&/or Monsters?) Do you think it shouldn't be separated from wild animals?
 * Others, not fond of the name. I'd rather have it be called Neutral but that would change a lot of things linked too it. Neutral is the 3rd category to Predators, and Prey. When taming is introduced, the domesticated version of each can be tamed to protect, defend or be neutral. Neutral includes mounts, or things that don't attack or don't really help (more about themselves, can hinder the player's progress, ect).
 * I'll change Mining, Farming and Resources to The World right now, as it seems more fitting. I've done a little bit more than that, it looks better but still needs stuff done.
 * Lithari is a species we know of so far, and the first of that kind are the Kinokojin (if you look through the core files, you'll find the folder titled lithari, within it are the Kinokojin models) They are actually under the Golem folder in game, so should we switch the pages appropriately? As far as filling out the page, not too much information as of yet. It's speculated that they were a previous race the TUG "Gods" created before creating the Seeds we see now.

Single player is just single player mode, no server. So shouldn't Single Player be removed from the Server section?

As for "classifying" Critters (which to me seems to be an all-encompassing term for any "self-mobile" object in the Environment): we will have tamed vs. wild Critters with (for example) "wild" horses that differ from "tamed" horses in (only?) their behavior? To further muddy the water: will there possibly be Critters that are predators but that are also prey to other species? (Plenty of examples IRW.) I'm sure that we'll be "plagued" with this type of problem all during alpha and beta as more and more Critters are added to the game.

So is Lithari the "offical" name for Golems, or are Golems a type of Lithari, or are Lithari a type of Golem? &mdash;LoonWoof (talk) 20:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

@LoonWoof I'll go ahead and remove it. The animal section will be a little difficult but it shouldn't be too hard to find what animal does what (as we will text when they each come out) Example: when taming is introduced, we may be able to tame the sabre cat. It will most likely become a protector, but at the risk of it attacking anyone close by. If you can think of better categories and then sub-categories, we can work on transferring stuff over.

Lithari I'm assuming is the first type of Golems. There will be lots of types, organic, as well as mechanical (man-made). Be prepared. lithari may be an organic type, too early to tell, but I'm guessing it is since they are mushroom kids. &mdash;Pamcakes (talk) 4:52PM, 14 October 2014 (EST)

Recipe Lists
I'm not sure if you've taken a look at User:LoonWoof/Sandbox/Recipe Lists and whether it's what you requested/suggested on the Feedback page. I'm not fond of the working title "Recipe Lists" and if you would like this page moved to the main article space I would like suggestions for a better name and where to place links to it. &mdash;LoonWoof (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

@LoonWoof I did take a look at it, good work! I can make a page and copy all of this to it. Should it go under Crafting, and be called Crafting Recipes? Or Crafting Guide? &mdash;Pamcakes (talk) 5:04PM, 14 October 2014 (EST)

There are a couple changes I would like to make, so I will create the page as Crafting Recipes. &mdash;LoonWoof (talk) 21:23, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Proposed Page Deletion
I've marked Components as Proposed Deletion due to its being a stub and out-of-date. It seems to have been supplanted by Crafting Materials and, if deleted, the Main Page would need updating. &mdash;LoonWoof (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

@LoonWoof Done & done! You should really get Skype, btw. We can make a group chat, and just type our thoughts in there whenever. &mdash;Pamcakes 5:59PM, 14 October 2014 (EST)

There are a number of reasons why Skype is not an option for me. I think it would be easiest, since all three of us are Steam members, to use that service. &mdash;LoonWoof (talk) 22:05, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

@LoonWoof Wow I didn't even think of that, that would be best. my name is ohpamcakes, feel free to add anytime and we'll create a small group for us to talk in. &mdash;Pamcakes 5:59PM, 14 October 2014 (EST)

New advertising users
The new accounts ‎Fgfbh and ‎Sdcffsd seem to have been created just for advertising. They haven't spammed main pages yet, just their own user pages, so I don't know whether it's worth deleting them. I just thought I should give someone a heads-up.

–Red Agliator (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

To ponder: should the wiki include info on the InDev version?
The most recent update is for the InDev version, not the main version of the game. (update notes) Which got me wondering:

While TUG is in alpha, should we include InDev info on the wiki? Or only list things as they appear in the main release? Normally, I wouldn't suggest including InDev info on a wiki. But in this case, TUG's still in alpha, so I suspect that many more people will be playing (and wondering about) the InDev version, so that info might be more generally useful.

One option for adding InDev info would be to make it globally clear that the wiki includes that. Another would be to add an "InDev" section to pages to make it clear which features aren't in the new version. This might make sense for new features like 'tool types dig different shapes in the terrain'. I don't know how to do the same thing for the auto-updating information (recipes, lists of tools, harvesting, and so on)&mdash;As things work now, editing a recipe changes it across the whole wiki, instead of creating a copy.

So I guess this is a multi-part question: Should the wiki consider an InDev version to be the latest release? If not, should we include text about the changes, marked as "InDev" only? Or should we go the whole nine yards and start changing all the auto-updating information to match the way InDev works?

Let me know what you think: I'm trying to figure out whether to add InDev updating to my to-do list.

–Red Agliator (talk) 14:51, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Update: We now have two templates we can use to mark InDev-specific stuff: and  –Red Agliator (talk) 14:42, 15 November 2014 (UTC)